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#1 2011-07-17 15:13:43

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What are the BEST exercises to strengthen your vocal chords?

Ive already posted my problem of acid reflux on another topic>>  http://www.punbb-hosting.com/forums/the … hp?id=1772

My ENT doc also advised that i do strength training. What has worked for everyone here?

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#2 2011-07-17 21:58:14

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Re: What are the BEST exercises to strengthen your vocal chords?

You don't strengthen your vocal cords. They are already strong, and have been since the first time you screamed coming out of your mother's womb. What you do in singing training is calibrate and learn fine control of what the CT and AT muscles do when they manipulate what is actually the vocal folds, not cords. You already know how to adduct fully at a high pitch, otherwise, imagery exercises like quack like a duck or cackle like a witch wouldn't work. What you learn is how to moderate the sound those images produce.


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#3 2011-07-18 05:31:46

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Re: What are the BEST exercises to strengthen your vocal chords?

Ok ,I was going by what the ENT doc was telling me. That the vocal chords are basically muscles.

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#4 2011-07-30 16:13:12

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Re: What are the BEST exercises to strengthen your vocal chords?

Maybe your doctor should have told you how to strengthen them. The only thing I can think of is to vocalize on the ng sound and the z sound.

The reason I said that your folds are already strong is because you can speak, or at least I assume you can speak. Is your doctor a specialist who specifically helps singers? Just wondering. I have read the works of Dr. Fillebrown, who was a medical doctor and a surgeon who repaired people's vocal maladies, including cleft palate and injuries.


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#5 2011-07-30 17:09:27

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Re: What are the BEST exercises to strengthen your vocal chords?

hey thanks  Ron'  I was just going to post the update.  I had  been taking the med for acid reflux,,and i have been using 'Slippery Elm' as suggested at this site. I still have this garbling of easy mid tones. For example,,as i have said before at a different thread,  my vocal range is quite like John Lennon's . One day in the car i may be able to sing his harmony to "If I fell" somewhat well( I've got a GOOD  ear for music AND mimicry).  If i repeat the song a couple of times then my notes become garbled, break up  or get choppy.  I think it is a matter of stress/strain on my vocal chords. Can you offer me a link to   Dr. Fillebrown or have any idea of what path i may take? I don't believe my ENT doc is a specialist in re to singing.

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#6 2011-07-30 20:42:51

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Re: What are the BEST exercises to strengthen your vocal chords?

Artifex... I like Ron's advise. I would just say, if you want to strengthen your vocal folds, I think the best thing you could do is work on what I call, "compression curls".... essentially phonate a note in your head voice in Falsetto, then slowly work on contracting the AES and engage your intrinsic anchoring; twanger, tongue leveraging and larynx dumping until you get good compression, then relax back to Falsetto, then back to the hyper compressed quack mode squeeze. Do this over and over again and you'll build strength and good vocal health for your voice.

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#7 2011-07-31 01:30:43

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Re: What are the BEST exercises to strengthen your vocal chords?

If I recall, this cost me $0.00 for a Kindle download. But even at 4 dollars and some change, it is a remarkable book and is worth more than every penny. I totally recommend that you get this book. If you can't afford 4 dollars and some change (USD), and trust me, I know, I have been in that situation more than once, let me know and I will arrange to get it to you, which would require a shipping address if you don't have a Kindle.

My Kindle was a gift from one of the two owners who are my employers.

http://www.amazon.com/Resonance-singing … B000L9M9G8


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#8 2011-07-31 17:16:01

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Re: What are the BEST exercises to strengthen your vocal chords?

Ron  /  Rob  I thank BOTH  of you soo much for the advice especially for the Kindle download. It is in our Kindle as i 'speak' ..Im very appreciative. Ron , did you mean that you have experienced the same vocal troubles that i tried to explain?   >you guys- this site is great. I cant wait to try out your advices///Art'

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#9 2011-07-31 17:48:44

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Re: What are the BEST exercises to strengthen your vocal chords?

If the doctor told you to do exercises to strengthen the vocal cords, but didn't refer you to a speech pathologist to learn how, GO SEE ANOTHER DOCTOR!  ENTs who work seriously with voice know the qualified "voice rehab" people (like me) in their area. I get mad when I hear stories like this because it's like an orthopedist saying "you have weak knee muscles," not being any more specific, and not prescribing physical therapy!! 

I could speculate forever on which exercises might be best for you. A team exam by ENT & voice-specializing speech pathologist, meaning videostroboscopy that is interpreted by people who know their stuff, will do you more good.

best wishes -- Joanna

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#10 2011-07-31 19:18:41

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Re: What are the BEST exercises to strengthen your vocal chords?

Joanna  thank you so much for the concern and the insight . The ENT doc did not refer me to anyone as you had mentioned. It seems he was more concerned with treating the acid reflux damage although i DID stress that my reason for being there was due to my voice problem. Glad that you gave this some perspective  ...

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#11 2011-08-01 00:24:33

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Artifex, listen to the wisdom fo Joanna. She is goddess of vocal health and more than enough creds to back it up. You may, indeed, need another ENT doc.

I read the book by Dr Fillebrown in my journey through the classical method. Before I had read his book, I did have some vocal maladies, self-inflicted, because I strayed from what I had learned of the classical method before. Getting re-aquainted with it has save and rehabbed my voice.

I am glad to see you have his book. It is one of my favorites. Since I am reading so much these days, I have only read his book 4 times. I will probably read it a few more.

To some extent, the book did help with my recovery from self-inflicted partial laryngitis. I did a really stupid, stupid thing. I have been singing fine in the tenor range since 1988. I came to this forum and saw that others were creating distortion with what I later learned to be constriction in the throat. I tried that. Twice. Because I screwed my voice up the first time and thought I wasn't doing it right. I never assume I know everything, believe it or not. So, I tried it again and screwed my voice up, again. To where I had no tenor range. I had a scratchy baritonish grumble and a whistle like high and nothing in between. Scared the crap out of myself. Twice.

What got me back was at least two weeks of no singing, lightly interspersed with very light, falsetto descending sirens, a classical technique. Such as you would find in Anthony Frisell's "The Tenor Voice" also available on Kindle. By the way, he teaches singers in all genres though his writing is geared toward opera.

Getting into the classical method headlong, spurred on by some of the posts of banned member Russ Friend, has rescued my voice and I can still all of my Led Zep stuff. As I like to brag, I will warm up with a soft "Ave Maria" lead right into "Black Dog."

It has also caused me to re-evaluate my voice and what I want from it. To work with what I have and make it strong. Which has earned me the label of being lazy and only doing "10 percent" of what my voice can do because it's not "meaty" like, say, David Coverdale. In fact, if you asked me, I would say I probably sound similar to Mike Reno from Loverboy. I guess he must be lazy, too. I'll have to look him up and start a club.

My lazy voice goes, in full volume, without amplification to be heard over instruments, from E3 to Bb5. Thanks to the classical method. I can sing rock because my voice has a slight rasp to it and all I do is resonate which amplifies. So, even if I am singing "Fool for the City" by Foghat, I am doing it classically, so that I can do it night after night, if I wish to.

I've rambled enough, I suppose, but you have some good advice from Joanna and I can just recommend that you really read and understand the words of Dr Fillebrown. He was a doctor, surgeon, caregiver, rehabilitator, and a singer, as well. One of the most important books I have ever read on singing.

Good luck and God's speed.


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#12 2011-08-14 06:04:41

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Re: What are the BEST exercises to strengthen your vocal chords?

Ron - thanks for your nice comments. I too will look for the resources you mention.

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#13 2011-08-14 16:07:42

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Re: What are the BEST exercises to strengthen your vocal chords?

And thank you, Joanna. The voice is a fragile thing. And fragile, not so much from environmental issues, per se, though those can have an affect. Fragile from habits in speaking and singing. Fragile from rule number one from any valid vocal coach Robert Lunte to Lilli Lehmann. Don't try to sound like another singer. You are genetically unique and therefore, can never sound exactly like another singer. And shouldn't try, from both a physical and artistic standpoint.

I know this will sound like I am hammering a point or have "hurt feelings" from the comments of others but I assure, that is not the case. It was recently judged by a few others here that I am not doing enough with my voice. That I could do so much more. Such judgements were based on how I phrase a sentence to what I talk about opposed to what I don't mention. As well as the quality of my recordings. A mic was given to me. It didn't cost much. In fact, for the price of a Rode M-1, I could have half a dozen of the mic I have now.

Secondly, each voice has a limit, a tessitura, which is not soley range, as most people mistakenly assume. In fact, tessitura really means texture, as in dramatic, lyric, leggiero, mezzo, coloratura, etc. So, to say that I am only doing 10 percent of what my voice can do is essentially saying that because I don't sound like, for example, David Coverdale, I am not doing enough. Which sounds like I am supposed to try and sound like a guy who ended up having node surgery. And, according to some, cannot do what he did 20 something years ago. Whereas, I can still do what I did 23 years ago, in fact a little better, as my finesse gets better.

In what I call full stage volume, able to sing over instruments without amplification, I can go from E3 to Bb5. Below E3 is a lower volume. I don't expect to need to go lower than that very often. Most of the songs I care to sing are in the tenor range, with grace notes in the leggiero tessitura so a brief scratch into castrati. I would rather have a solid 2.5 octaves than a spotty 3 or 4. And that may not be enough for some.

Which leads me to a point about goals and desires. As someone pointed out, if you are happy with your voice, so be it. Like the phrase I learned from an old R & B song, "rockonwhichyabadself." So, again, talking about this is not "hurt feelings." It is a point of acceptance. Even as I work on other things in the classical method as I would apply them to rock singing, I accept my voice. And, in so doing, may avoid mistakes down the road that could cause injury trying to achieve some sound effect that may or may not work fine for someone else, but certainly not for me.

And what I gain from your insight, Joanna, is that the things I learn in the classical method are right, and are right for me. For they lead me to both a style of singing that appeals to me and a healthy way of doing it that ensures I can do this for some time.

For those who have thought that I am lazy because I haven't detailed a scale exercise program to be done every day for a certain amount of time, let me use the simile of a salary position. Some days, you work 14 hours. Some days, you work 6. What matters is the result. So, I might have to work on one thing quite a while to get the hang of it. And another item I can pick up, right off the bat. As for how much time, how much time does anyone want to talk about? Singing is like any physical skill. You can keep doing it as long as you keep doing it. So, how long have I "practiced" singing? How about 40 years? Everyone in my family sang. So, as a child, I sang, too. Maybe not well. And as a teenager, my high end was falsetto. Along about 1988, I learned to sing full voice in my high end, on my way to becoming a legit tenor, at least in the pop and rock sense. And even this day, I learn new things. And still practice basics. Does 40 years of singing make me a good singer? No. And some of those years certainly involved the wrong habits in singing. So, having all that time under the belt didn't help, even though it was "working on singing." Not that I was a bad singer, either.

To quote good teacher, "it's not how high you sing, it's how you sing high, that matters."

And I have rambled and written another book of a post, it seems. I just happen to think that part of vocal health is to have the right habits of singing, aside from the physical aspects of our lives.


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#14 2011-08-21 20:52:26

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Re: What are the BEST exercises to strengthen your vocal chords?

Ron -  affirmation here -
There are no substitutes for (a) knowing one's own voice, from internal sensation, mechanics, and individual health history through personality and personal goals; (b) working live with a teacher who also understands, who can sense as well as hear what you're doing because they're in the same room, and who can customize a training program for you.

No one set of exercises works for everyone -- at least, not at the same pitch range, "dosage," emphasis, or "recipe" of breath versus vocal fold use vs. resonance shaping vs. psychology.

This is why even the best online forum (us, yay) has limits!

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#15 2011-08-22 00:38:43

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Re: What are the BEST exercises to strengthen your vocal chords?

Joanna wrote:

Ron -  affirmation here -
There are no substitutes for (a) knowing one's own voice, from internal sensation, mechanics, and individual health history through personality and personal goals; (b) working live with a teacher who also understands, who can sense as well as hear what you're doing because they're in the same room, and who can customize a training program for you.

No one set of exercises works for everyone -- at least, not at the same pitch range, "dosage," emphasis, or "recipe" of breath versus vocal fold use vs. resonance shaping vs. psychology.

This is why even the best online forum (us, yay) has limits!

Amen, sister. You are truly wise, in my opinion. And this forum and this world are a better place because of you being here.


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#16 2011-08-22 16:54:35

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Hy all, Im still having the same problems as before. I havent been taking my reflux med on a reg basis so that may be a partial reason. I want to know what all thinks about these 2  links. Thanks ,,Dave



http://www.your-personal-singing-guide. … voice.html
http://www.mypianoworld.com/MyPianoWorl … ngtips.htm

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#17 2011-11-02 07:23:06

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Re: What are the BEST exercises to strengthen your vocal chords?

Nice sharing.
I said that your folds are already strong is because
you can speak, or at least I assume you can speak.
Is your doctor a specialist who specifically helps singers.

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#18 2011-11-22 17:05:47

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Re: What are the BEST exercises to strengthen your vocal chords?

Hello all. My apologies for being inactive on this topic.  To update you,, My ENT doc did prescribe me steroids (pill form) because i had upcoming performances to do.  The prescription dose  was for  a week.   Overall I will say that I felt minor improvement . I did try to stay away from certain foods and coffee (unsuccessful on the coffee)  I wonder if the steroid 'spray' is more appropriate for my condition. I need to do something about this. I restarted my old band and my vocals are needed.

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#19 2011-12-01 10:31:58

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Re: What are the BEST exercises to strengthen your vocal chords?

Swimming is the top exercise for health,
because after swimming we feel so strength in our whole body.
Thanks for sharing.

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#20 2011-12-04 21:55:39

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Re: What are the BEST exercises to strengthen your vocal chords?

Artifex:

I checkout the sites you linked.
first one promises "personal" guidance for good singing, but IMHO that is impossible in a broadcast-to-millions website, each person is different & needs are different. The ideas on the site are fine and safe, just not "personal" in the individual sense.

second one also looks generally useful, and its good to see so much simple information out there now. I'm becoming a bore about this, but truly nothing beats individual LIVE instruction with a competent and open-minded teacher... cheers to all


Joanna Cazden
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Singers' guide to a healthy lifestyle: www.tinyurl.com/voice-care

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#21 2012-11-22 12:33:49

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jcazden wrote:

Artifex:

I checkout the sites you linked.
first one promises "personal" guidance for good singing, but IMHO that is impossible in a broadcast-to-millions website, each person is different & needs are different. The ideas on the site are fine and safe, just not "personal" in the individual sense.

second one also looks generally useful, and its good to see so much simple information out there now. I'm becoming a bore about this, but truly nothing beats individual LIVE instruction with a competent and open-minded teacher... cheers to all

I know this is an old thread but I have been reading the memoirs of Renee Fleming. And live coaches are invaluable to her. For they can see or hear something that you just don't pick up from recordings. Especially recordings that we can digitally alter these days. And, in some cases, you have to do alterations in the conversion of an analog signal to digital format.

Also, I think, a live coach is going to be more of a fair witness to your voice. How often have I written that I sound different live than I do in recording. And how that recording is mixed makes a difference. I sent a colleague two different songs I recorded, each mixed different ways. She literally thought it was two different people.

So, if you go to a coach and they pronounce you as singing correctly and then you post a recording here and people write about how you are doing this or that wrong or need to adjust this or that, I would take the word of the professional you paid to hear you live over the best intention of us "armchair experts," myself included.


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#22 2012-12-10 03:47:44

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Hi Artifex,
Thanks for directing the link and must be of great help for those who are dealing with hoarseness and throat pain. Like to say we must exercise regularly and have a balanced diet plan to lead healthy and active lifestyle.

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#23 2013-04-02 16:44:44

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Re: What are the BEST exercises to strengthen your vocal chords?

Swimming is an activity that burns lots of calories, is easy on the joints, supports your weight, builds muscular strength and endurance, improves cardiovascular fitness, cools you off and refreshes you in summer.

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#24 2013-04-03 02:42:50

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Re: What are the BEST exercises to strengthen your vocal chords?

Alexander8100 wrote:

Swimming is an activity that burns lots of calories, is easy on the joints, supports your weight, builds muscular strength and endurance, improves cardiovascular fitness, cools you off and refreshes you in summer.

Swimming is low impact, easy on the joints, builds some endurance but it does not burn a lot of calories. What burns a lot of calories is an aerobic exercise that stresses muscles just below the point of breaking down, such as walking.

My source is the writings of Covert Bailey.


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#25 2013-09-23 12:32:54

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Very few voice coaches know how to build a strong voice. Knowing how to strengthen the vocal organ is misunderstood for two reasons. Firstly, because the very important hyo-glossus muscle is invisible to the eye and secondly, because it is nowhere attached to a fixed bone like other muscles; it cannot be felt. However, methods of strengthening the vocal muscles have been around for almost a century and is the most effective way of building a great voice. Still this is almost unknown to almost every vocal teacher out there. Vocal cords are not muscles, the most important muscle involved in singing and speaking is the Hyo-Glossus muscle and this muscle can be trained and made strong rather easily.

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#26 2013-09-23 13:16:53

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Thanks Ron. Here is a link for the kindle version, and yes. It is free.

http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/19138?msg=dropbox_ok

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#27 2013-12-05 08:24:19

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Re: What are the BEST exercises to strengthen your vocal chords?

I think that the problem is not about vocal cords strengthening but we must learn to release outer muscles. The tension of these muscles seriously limits your range. In my opinion Speech level singing technique and exercises is one of the best to relese the outer muscles of the larynx (swallowing muscles and others)

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