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#1 2010-02-20 18:42:22

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VIDEO HERE (Bob's) magic moments

hi folks, i thought it might be fun to start a topic where we share video snippets of vocals that have mezmerized us. whatever you'd like to share...not the whole song, just a small section i.e., an ultra-high note, an incredible trill or run, a long note, a fabulous scream or growl .....something out of the ordinary, preferably live.....not a studio gimmick or enhancement....you get the idea.

i thought i'd start off with one live where power and intensity is combined with a littte wiggle that really moved me. it starts at 3:20 and ends at 3:39, when he stands on the monitor and sings the 2nd phrase "open up the door" that little wiggle at that power level for me was a "magic moment."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSa6t_QCXyg

i hope you will share your's as well.

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#2 2010-02-21 08:34:51

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That was great! Here's another video by Aerosmith that comes to mind, all of it really, although the last 20 seconds or so are nothing short of spectactular, He's pulling off A5s and A#5s on a regular basis, and doing it live!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqAWTqC2nGk

My magic moment there is at 5:18. One of my favorite screaming moments of all time. Done live, topping the original recording in emotion and sustain of that note.

"his x wife passed away the day that he performed this" they say. I think I can hear that in his scream.

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#3 2010-02-23 01:51:52

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jonpall wrote:

That was great! Here's another video by Aerosmith that comes to mind, all of it really, although the last 20 seconds or so are nothing short of spectactular, He's pulling off A5s and A#5s on a regular basis, and doing it live!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_Ur7koy … re=related

oh yeah, he's from my home town, yes! that's one bigtime....notes like this are (i.m.o.) 75% mental visualization imagery, 25% technique....he's just "in the moment" going for it with all he's got

here's another that get's me off:

magic happens at 2:52 to 3:05
what friggin' resonance!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbjYl-zx0uk

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#4 2010-02-23 07:32:11

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Check out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvae5Lt0smI

Pain of Salvation live, this would be an extreme vocal workout to sing for me and he pulls it off with ease. The whole song is magical, but some moments: 05.15-05.40 doing some high pitched belted notes and 06.00 - ending where he goes from a really distorted screaming into a fine mixed voice.

And this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWtLMlN8dqs

Jorn Lande recording for Devil's Hall of Fame album. Last take at 1.20 until ending, and afterwards he says "not good enough" :P

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#5 2010-02-24 22:02:43

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Marcus wrote:

Check out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvae5Lt0smI

Pain of Salvation live, this would be an extreme vocal workout to sing for me and he pulls it off with ease. The whole song is magical, but some moments: 05.15-05.40 doing some high pitched belted notes and 06.00 - ending where he goes from a really distorted screaming into a fine mixed voice.

And this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvae5Lt0smI

Jorn Lande recording for Devil's Hall of Fame album. Last take at 1.20 until ending, and afterwards he says "not good enough" :P

marcus, thanks for participating!!!  you turned me on to a singer i wasn't familiar with. nice stuff!

here's another one of my favorites...it's steve walsh (kansas) taken from his solo cd...he had that incredibly piercing tenor belt.

he totally sings his balls off, improvising, belting, swirling, totally in the moment!!!
vocally "correct" i doubt it...but it sounds so awesome to me.     

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1s6sYc1pnY

6:35 to 7:46 (its a studio version..all i could find.)

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#6 2010-02-24 22:27:48

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VIDEO,

Hands down for me is Van Morrison singing Caravan in the movie The Last Waltz(The Band's farewell concert movie.)

Unfortunately, Van's pulled down ALL his old footage from youtube. I DID find a video...somebody singing to the song...but the sound quality is very poor and you have to fight through the video poster singing.

If you're brave enough to listen...my favorite part is starting at 2:20.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3m1TKBzvcw

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#7 2010-02-25 07:15:21

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Hey Video, wich of the singers was it that you hadn't heard? Gildenlöw or Lande?

That Walsh-guy got an awesome voice! I hadn't heard that song before!

Here's a video with Drew Sarich singing Gethsemane from Jesus Christ Superstar. Probably the best musical singer ever, he have so much rock in his voice :) 02.20-03.25 and 04.36-05.40 but make sure you watch the whole thing. I love singers who can pull things like this off live at show after show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqIWGh8D … re=related

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#8 2010-02-25 10:25:01

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Bob - that Led Zeppelin clip of Since I've been loving you (one of their oh so many great songs) was great. Robert was in top shape that night. You'll notice that he usually doesn't sing the very highest notes live (I think there are a couple of G5s on the studio recording), but he still gets pretty high and he really delivers the song. Led Zeppelin was my favorite band for a long, long time. It still is one of my favorites, actually.

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#9 2010-02-25 14:33:50

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That Pain of Salvation vid blew my mind Marcus! What an amazing singer with a great stage set/band. That would have been a bloody amazing show!


I'm not really into musicals, but after seeing American Idol and becoming a fan of the prodigious Adam Lambert, I did some youtubing...

The whole performance is fantastic but the emotional place he takes it to is truly breath-taking! The first tenor high C is at roughly 3:05, and it just sets the stage for some incredibly free ad libbing. Obviously the song-writers deserve massive credit, but for me those super strong C5s in the context of the song just make my spine tingle!

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#10 2010-02-25 22:02:45

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Re: VIDEO HERE (Bob's) magic moments

analog wrote:

VIDEO,

Hands down for me is Van Morrison singing Caravan in the movie The Last Waltz(The Band's farewell concert movie.)

Unfortunately, Van's pulled down ALL his old footage from youtube. I DID find a video...somebody singing to the song...but the sound quality is very poor and you have to fight through the video poster singing.

If you're brave enough to listen...my favorite part is starting at 2:20.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3m1TKBzvcw

hard to hear that one, sorry.

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#11 2010-02-25 22:04:19

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Marcus wrote:

Hey Video, wich of the singers was it that you hadn't heard? Gildenlöw or Lande?

That Walsh-guy got an awesome voice! I hadn't heard that song before!

Here's a video with Drew Sarich singing Gethsemane from Jesus Christ Superstar. Probably the best musical singer ever, he have so much rock in his voice :) 02.20-03.25 and 04.36-05.40 but make sure you watch the whole thing. I love singers who can pull things like this off live at show after show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqIWGh8D … re=related

Gildenlöw

wow, here's another guy i've never hear of...wow!!!! awesome vocalist.
my kind of singer. thank you.

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#12 2010-02-25 22:06:05

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jonpall wrote:

Bob - that Led Zeppelin clip of Since I've been loving you (one of their oh so many great songs) was great. Robert was in top shape that night. You'll notice that he usually doesn't sing the very highest notes live (I think there are a couple of G5s on the studio recording), but he still gets pretty high and he really delivers the song. Led Zeppelin was my favorite band for a long, long time. It still is one of my favorites, actually.

i read that plant was often much lower live..what i like most about plant was the resonance and emotion.

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#13 2010-02-25 23:12:09

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Mr Bounce wrote:

That Pain of Salvation vid blew my mind Marcus! What an amazing singer with a great stage set/band. That would have been a bloody amazing show!


I'm not really into musicals, but after seeing American Idol and becoming a fan of the prodigious Adam Lambert, I did some youtubing...

The whole performance is fantastic but the emotional place he takes it to is truly breath-taking! The first tenor high C is at roughly 3:05, and it just sets the stage for some incredibly free ad libbing. Obviously the song-writers deserve massive credit, but for me those super strong C5s in the context of the song just make my spine tingle!

oh yeah, lambert is a magnficent singer...i totally agree, well trained and gifted but for me though a little too "sterile."  not meant to be derrogatory, just a preference.

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#14 2010-02-26 11:14:52

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Andrew Strong, 16 years old, in the film "The Commitments", singing "Try a little tenderness":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDhsBhc8CEQ

It can't be denied that this was a mezmerizing moment! :)

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#15 2010-02-26 18:50:03

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jonpall wrote:

Andrew Strong, 16 years old, in the film "The Commitments", singing "Try a little tenderness":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDhsBhc8CEQ

It can't be denied that this was a mezmerizing moment! :)

real nice stuff, the guy looks older that 16 though, don't you agree?

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#16 2010-02-26 21:42:09

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He looks much older but according to many reliable sources, he was 16 when this was shot.

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#17 2010-03-25 00:52:42

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i wish you folks would append to this with your "magic moments"

john farnham (little river band) awesome to me!!

a vocal journey starting at 2:20 sings his balls off!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyfOXx-u … re=related

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#18 2010-03-25 09:24:38

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this singer is great http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3F9lDTV … re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exvbjczw … re=related

also great rockvoice crazee

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#19 2010-03-25 17:29:26

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with johnny maestro's passing, i felt it was only right i post a magic moment from him. he was a true singer's singer....one of my all-time favorites.  for you younger folks, his famous hit was "the worst that could happen."
he was the lead singer in a 50's group called the crests, and until his death he sang in the brooklyn bridge.

please listen to greatness from 3:20 to the end

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCfsjaJw … re=related

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#20 2010-03-26 19:34:43

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Paul Rodgers performing with Queen gets this amazing creak going in his voice and just runs with it at 5:40 in this video. Simply a great rnr artist!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AJprneMvDU

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#21 2010-03-27 10:52:05

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Marcus, I suppose you had this video with Lande on mind (both links in your first post lead to the same Pain of Salvation song):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWtLMlN8dqs

I also think it's great!

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#22 2010-03-27 15:17:03

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Yeah, thanks! That was the one I meant to post :P He have such a cool voice!

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#23 2010-03-27 15:24:22

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Freddie wrote:

Paul Rodgers performing with Queen gets this amazing creak going in his voice and just runs with it at 5:40 in this video. Simply a great rnr artist!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AJprneMvDU

yeah freddie, loved it!!!! thanks i agree. one of my all-time favorites. did you check out that john farnham snippet?

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#24 2010-03-27 15:27:39

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DJDeth wrote:

Marcus, I suppose you had this video with Lande on mind (both links in your first post lead to the same Pain of Salvation song):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWtLMlN8dqs

I also think it's great!

see what i mean, i don't even know who this guy is, but thanks to you, i do now. great sound!!

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#25 2010-03-27 21:36:12

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Marcus wrote:

Hey Video, wich of the singers was it that you hadn't heard? Gildenlöw or Lande?

That Walsh-guy got an awesome voice! I hadn't heard that song before!

Here's a video with Drew Sarich singing Gethsemane from Jesus Christ Superstar. Probably the best musical singer ever, he have so much rock in his voice :) 02.20-03.25 and 04.36-05.40 but make sure you watch the whole thing. I love singers who can pull things like this off live at show after show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqIWGh8D … re=related

hi marcus..did you hear john farnham doing gethsemane i sent below?

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#26 2010-03-29 23:24:16

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i just found this beautiful example of vocal control and resonance...something i need to work on.

this vocal to me is breathtaking, the harmony is simply gorgeous.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kZH7jQit5w

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#27 2010-04-09 16:24:18

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here's another beauty..listen to the magic that begins at 3:45

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jubogiBa … ature=grec

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#28 2010-04-10 07:15:41

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Jimmy Barnes, the greatest rock singer ever. This whole concert was fantastic, but this song is absolutely amazing. If you find the record of the recording of this song, it doesn't have the chorus. I think it's the best part! My contribution of a magic moment :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRaoua0Mhx8

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#29 2010-04-10 19:23:49

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g0dvollie wrote:

Jimmy Barnes, the greatest rock singer ever. This whole concert was fantastic, but this song is absolutely amazing. If you find the record of the recording of this song, it doesn't have the chorus. I think it's the best part! My contribution of a magic moment :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRaoua0Mhx8

thanks for your contribution. you see, here's a guy who is incredible and i (perhaps others) haven't even heard of him.

i (and others) get to expand our knowledge, awareness and appreciation of great artists. i love the duet he did with john farnham.

thanks again

bob

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#30 2010-04-10 20:59:13

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Here's one of mine:)

Richie kotzen, the song is called remember. The beginning is already awesome and the amazing is coming at 0:29. So much passion in his singing, just awesome!!

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#31 2010-04-13 21:00:31

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joshual wrote:

Here's one of mine:)

Richie kotzen, the song is called remember. The beginning is already awesome and the amazing is coming at 0:29. So much passion in his singing, just awesome!!

awesome vocal. i ordered a cd. a customer in my video store just listened to it and he said his voice sounds like a combination of michael bolton and chris cornell...nothing wrong about that

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#32 2010-04-13 23:34:16

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Wich one did you order? :D

Richie Kotzen is my God in everything, guitar, singing, composition.... I would give tons of money to someone that can help me reach that kind of tone...
I also have to say that he's 40 years old , started to sing at 14, and play music since he's 5.....

If some guys want to listen to some guitar played by me, i've just created my youtube channel and just post my first video, it's not singing, but this way you can see more what i do for a living. Could be great if you write some comments or a simple "hello" ;)
here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbWOMADBoT4

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#33 2010-04-14 01:18:03

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joshual wrote:

Wich one did you order? :D

Richie Kotzen is my God in everything, guitar, singing, composition.... I would give tons of money to someone that can help me reach that kind of tone...
I also have to say that he's 40 years old , started to sing at 14, and play music since he's 5.....

If some guys want to listen to some guitar played by me, i've just created my youtube channel and just post my first video, it's not singing, but this way you can see more what i do for a living. Could be great if you write some comments or a simple "hello" ;)
here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbWOMADBoT4

cd..."something to say"
you sounded great man, it looked effortless.

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#34 2010-04-14 02:32:20

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thanxs ;) If you wanna get the best part of richie kotzen, start by Mother's head family reunion album. Goldmine, and what a voice on this one...

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#35 2010-04-14 17:34:00

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joshual wrote:

thanxs ;) If you wanna get the best part of richie kotzen, start by Mother's head family reunion album. Goldmine, and what a voice on this one...

thanks but a little too pricey for me.

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#36 2010-04-20 18:29:32

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db6i7MDMlpw

here's another magic moment at 1:55 and again at 2:18
i love and respect the fact that he's hittiing that high c powerfully live on national tv where he could have taken a safer road..... then powerhouses through the rest live and certainly vulnerable...man that's a performer.

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#37 2010-04-26 11:18:00

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For the record, I don't care much for church music but I like good singers and I stumbled upon this guy, David Phelps, and I'd just like to say watch out for the ending because this is how you can take a simple song and just move the earth with it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZFxG6-WSnI

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#38 2010-04-26 15:37:54

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Great one Jonpall...David is a beast!

Check this one out. Crappy recording but brilliant for hearing how much control he has. Listen at 2:09 for the controlled "metal" on the high notes.



And of course he was great in Walk Hard :) No offense to David...but couldn't help myself.

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#39 2010-04-26 16:11:26

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analog wrote:

Great one Jonpall...David is a beast!

Check this one out. Crappy recording but brilliant for hearing how much control he has. Listen at 2:09 for the controlled "metal" on the high notes.

Analog:  I was interested to see what he does at that location, so I ran the sustained top note through the spectragraph.   David Phelps 'metal' on that note is the result of a clearly (but easily sung) note, with excellent 2nd-formant tuning.  He is singing exactly the right vowel to get his his 3rd harmonic to align perfectly, and so it is HUGELY amplified.


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Steven,

Very cool! I would call this a Curbing(half-metallic) note in CVT terms. I wonder how similar this is to your reply in the John Farnham thread http://www.punbb-hosting.com/forums/the … php?id=754 here:

Steven Fraser wrote:

VIDEOHERE:  Well, he is a fairly natural high voiced tenor.  Just listen to his speaking voice to get a sense of that.

His phonation is fairly-well balanced, and as a high tenor for certain vowels he can sing with power up above tenor high C.   The highest sustained note in this recording is Eb5.

As a resonance strategy, he is doing those top notes the same way Pavarotti did, he is tuning his F2 to the 3rd harmonic (H3), and singing a soft fundamental with a fairly long closed quotient.  See how he leans his head back, and drops his jaw significantly up there?   To keep the F2 on H3 strategy working, he has done this, and also likely allowed his larynx to rise so that F2 will be high enough to match H3.

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Steven,

Very cool! I would call this a Curbing(half-metallic) note in CVT terms. I wonder how similar this is to your reply in the John Farnham thread http://www.punbb-hosting.com/forums/the … php?id=754 here:...

Analog:  Yes.  David Phelps and John Farnham use the same approach as Pavarotti, and also very many other operatic tenors, too, with the exception that David Phelps does not have much twang or singer's formant going, at least not that can be heard in the recording.  Perhaps the PA and the mix have had the 2800-3200 Hz range squashed.

In case you are interested, I wrote a fairly lengthy article about tenor resonance strategies and posted them to TMV in Dec, 2008, and showed how some tenors do this, and some do not.  The article is at

http://www.themodernvocalist.com/profil … atic-tenor

The article begins with an orientation on how to read a spectragraph, and puts two popular 20th C tenors, (Bjoerling and Domingo) up for comparision with the Two voices on the same picture, and with explanations of what the pictures indicate.   The article also includes spectragraphs of quite a few tenors, and you can see readily who does it, and who does not.  You'll also be able to see the presence of the singer's formant.

Enjoy!

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#42 2010-04-26 23:35:14

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Steven Fraser wrote:

analog wrote:

Steven,

Very cool! I would call this a Curbing(half-metallic) note in CVT terms. I wonder how similar this is to your reply in the John Farnham thread http://www.punbb-hosting.com/forums/the … php?id=754 here:...

Analog:  Yes.  David Phelps and John Farnham use the same approach as Pavarotti, and also very many other operatic tenors, too, with the exception that David Phelps does not have much twang or singer's formant going, at least not that can be heard in the recording.  Perhaps the PA and the mix have had the 2800-3200 Hz range squashed.

In case you are interested, I wrote a fairly lengthy article about tenor resonance strategies and posted them to TMV in Dec, 2008, and showed how some tenors do this, and some do not.  The article is at

http://www.themodernvocalist.com/profil … atic-tenor

The article he article begins with an orientation on how to read a spectragraph, and puts two popular 20th C tenors, (Bjoerling and Domingo) up for comparision with the Two voices on the same picture, and with explanations of what the pictures indicate.   The article also includes spectragraphs of quite a few tenors, and you can see readily who does it, and who does not.  You'll also be able to see the presence of the singer's formant.

Enjoy!

steven, can you recommend a good book to read about harmonics and formants?

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#43 2010-04-27 15:01:04

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VIDEOHERE wrote:

steven, can you recommend a good book to read about harmonics and formants?

There are plenty of books, but most are written with a good deal of math, are about fundamentals/principles and not about practical matters.

Here is an example of the kind of writing that you can get, for free, on the internet:

http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/voice.html#source

I can summarize all this in just a few sentences:

1) The glottis emits pulses of sound during phonation.  The frequencies are most often multiples of the fundamental (sung note), and generally decrease in strength the higher their frequencies.  These frequencies are called 'harmonics'.
2) The vocal tract filters this sound, amplifying some frequencies, and softening others. The position of a resonance is called a 'formant'
3) What we think of as 'vowels' result from different configurations of the vocal tract, principally from the different positions of the tongue, but also due to the position of the jaw and lips.  When these move to different positions, the formants move, so the vowel changes.
4) When harmonics align with formants, they are amplified very much, and singing is easier.

If you will let me know what areas you are interested to investigate, I can point you to specific articles.  THere is also a forum topic under Vocal Science where some resources are listed, at

http://www.punbb-hosting.com/forums/the … .php?id=19

Enjoy.


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Steven Fraser

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#44 2010-04-27 21:33:20

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Steven Fraser wrote:

VIDEOHERE wrote:

steven, can you recommend a good book to read about harmonics and formants?

There are plenty of books, but most are written with a good deal of math, are about fundamentals/principles and not about practical matters.

Here is an example of the kind of writing that you can get, for free, on the internet:

http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/voice.html#source

I can summarize all this in just a few sentences:

1) The glottis emits pulses of sound during phonation.  The frequencies are most often multiples of the fundamental (sung note), and generally decrease in strength the higher their frequencies.  These frequencies are called 'harmonics'.
2) The vocal tract filters this sound, amplifying some frequencies, and softening others. The position of a resonance is called a 'formant'
3) What we think of as 'vowels' result from different configurations of the vocal tract, principally from the different positions of the tongue, but also due to the position of the jaw and lips.  When these move to different positions, the formants move, so the vowel changes.
4) When harmonics align with formants, they are amplified very much, and singing is easier.

If you will let me know what areas you are interested to investigate, I can point you to specific articles.  THere is also a forum topic under Vocal Science where some resources are listed, at

http://www.punbb-hosting.com/forums/the … .php?id=19

Enjoy.

thanks steve,
this first link yielded 14 pages of very interesting reading.  let me dive into this first.

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#45 2010-04-29 19:30:20

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Steven Fraser wrote:

VIDEOHERE wrote:

steven, can you recommend a good book to read about harmonics and formants?

There are plenty of books, but most are written with a good deal of math, are about fundamentals/principles and not about practical matters.

Here is an example of the kind of writing that you can get, for free, on the internet:

http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/voice.html#source

I can summarize all this in just a few sentences:

1) The glottis emits pulses of sound during phonation.  The frequencies are most often multiples of the fundamental (sung note), and generally decrease in strength the higher their frequencies.  These frequencies are called 'harmonics'.
2) The vocal tract filters this sound, amplifying some frequencies, and softening others. The position of a resonance is called a 'formant'
3) What we think of as 'vowels' result from different configurations of the vocal tract, principally from the different positions of the tongue, but also due to the position of the jaw and lips.  When these move to different positions, the formants move, so the vowel changes.
4) When harmonics align with formants, they are amplified very much, and singing is easier.

If you will let me know what areas you are interested to investigate, I can point you to specific articles.  THere is also a forum topic under Vocal Science where some resources are listed, at

http://www.punbb-hosting.com/forums/the … .php?id=19

Enjoy.

hi steve...very interesting reading especially about the vowels and slosives  really learned a bunch

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#46 2010-05-04 19:34:17

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so i'm on wykepedia reading about steve perry and come across a song (i had never heard) called "homade love" and here we see first hand when you are just are in a state of flow your vocals just float out and the skies the limit. the  magic moments start at 1:50 where he simply just floats the vocals all over the place...totally magnificent..........!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHHXaXD1Pt4

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#47 2010-05-06 10:07:41

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I have mixed feelings towards Steve Perry because I think he often sounds a bit too girlish for my taste, but if he could have sung consistantly like this, I would have bought all Journey's records :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te1CVVlaJzA

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#48 2010-05-06 17:55:34

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jonpall wrote:

I have mixed feelings towards Steve Perry because I think he often sounds a bit too girlish for my taste, but if he could have sung consistantly like this, I would have bought all Journey's records :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te1CVVlaJzA

jonpall, i can always count on you for a reply
oh yes....as he got older, he got a tad raspy and husckier.....

i love this vocal too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-BOipyW … re=related

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#49 2010-05-14 14:52:44

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There is a man by the name of Harry Nillson, who's famous for Everybody's Talking, but in A song called Without You, I think he hits some really big notes to make this song memorable. He hits the notes twice, but the second one at 2:01 is just fantastic, and always brought a smile to my face. Hope it does the same for you. Sadly he's passed, but his voice and music, still lingers as a reminder of my childhood, and he is missed.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvJ9Yxef5zI

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T Reed wrote:

There is a man by the name of Harry Nillson, who's famous for Everybody's Talking, but in A song called Without You, I think he hits some really big notes to make this song memorable. He hits the notes twice, but the second one at 2:01 is just fantastic, and always brought a smile to my face. Hope it does the same for you. Sadly he's passed, but his voice and music, still lingers as a reminder of my childhood, and he is missed.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvJ9Yxef5zI

t, oh yeah .....he was an awesome vocalist. a bitch of a song to sing well. that " l can't live" is a toughy.
thanks for posting.

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