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#1 2014-11-21 16:46:17

Aelpee
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Correct tongue position

Hey all! Like the title says I've been wondering alot about the correct positioning of the tongue for singing. It seems some teachers like the Tamplin guy (and even my teacher) want to have the tongue on the bottom of the mouth and kinda flat so the space in the back of the throat looks really big.
But then there are other teachers like the CVT teacher I had earlier that want the tongue in the kind of "ng" position so that the back part of the tongue kinda touches the upper teeth in the back and the front is behind the lower front teeth.

Now I'm just wondering what's the main goal we're trying to achieve with the tongue while singing? Is it just to articulate while getting the back of the tongue out of the throat as much as possible? Or should I just let it lie still in the bottom of the mouth? Such a small thing but it's getting annoying, I've actually been doing my scales with the tongue totally out of the mouth since I can't seem to find a "good" spot for it in the mouth. This solution doesn't work at all while singing of course. :P

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#2 2014-11-21 18:01:12

Jens
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Re: Correct tongue position

Depends on what type of sound you want. Diffrent tonguepositions aid diffrent soundcolors, also training diffrent positions might also help With tension in the tongue ect

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#3 2014-11-21 18:12:45

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Re: Correct tongue position

generally, for singing, get in the habit of parking it with the tip resting behind the lower front teeth. although it needs to move from that spot to pronounce some lyrics, develop a habit of returning back to there when you're able.

the tongue will rise to some degree depending on the vowel. don't try to do anything to lower it, for example when singing an "ee."

run through the 5 basic basic vowels while looking in the mirror and observe what the tongue does in response to those throat shapes (vowels).

start with "oo" "ee" "eh" "oh" and "ah." then jumble the sequence.  just play around and begin to sense how the tongue moves with the closed vowels vs. the open vowels.

do not try to actively control the tongue. let it go where it needs to go.

i made that mistake years ago.

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#4 2014-11-21 20:05:35

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Re: Correct tongue position

Add Jens and Videohere's suggestions together... The tongue position and shape are tied with TONE and VOWEL.
Do not concentrate on the tongue but on the TONE and Vowel to get proper placement of the tongue. Otherwise remove tension of the tongue.


"Knock me down, It's all in vain. I'll get right back on my feet again."  Pat Benatar

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#5 2014-11-21 20:44:03

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Re: Correct tongue position

Lowering the tongue flat on the mouth may look like it creates a lot of space, but doing so occupies space on the pharynx bellow the mouth level and will prevent proper elevation of the larynx on the higher notes.

As you go high, allow it to elevate and let your vowels change towards mid, mid high or high vowels.

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#6 2014-11-24 04:47:49

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#7 2014-11-24 07:33:32

Aelpee
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Re: Correct tongue position

Thanks everybody! I like the "natural" approach of just letting the tongue move with the vowels. Just one more question. Is this "natural tongue" approach valid in the passagio zone when the "vowel mods" start to come in to play? In the past I've just tried to keep my my soft palate raised and modify my throat shape but haven't been able to find the "pocket" as some of you call it in the passagio. I'm thinking now that by just keeping the tongue flat while modifying the vowel I've been trying to do two things at once that work against each other?

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#8 2014-11-25 02:51:58

Owen Korzec
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Re: Correct tongue position

Aelpee wrote:

Thanks everybody! I like the "natural" approach of just letting the tongue move with the vowels. Just one more question. Is this "natural tongue" approach valid in the passagio zone when the "vowel mods" start to come in to play? In the past I've just tried to keep my my soft palate raised and modify my throat shape but haven't been able to find the "pocket" as some of you call it in the passagio. I'm thinking now that by just keeping the tongue flat while modifying the vowel I've been trying to do two things at once that work against each other?

To put it simply, it's really complicated :lol:

The whole tongue position thing IS vowel mods (part of it) and requires loads of fine tuning, a lot of it based on sound, not just where the tongue seems to be visually.

Just leaving the tongue position where it is when you pronounce normally, will not work for vowel mods at all.

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